Rabbi Chiya said to Rav:

<<son of

<<nobles!

<<Did I not

<<say

<<to you:

<<when

<<stands

<<Rebbi

<<in this

<<tractate,

<<do not

<<ask him

<<about a tractate

<<another,

<<lest

<<it is not

<<on his mind.

<<For if

<<not

<<that Rebbi

<<a man

<<great

<<is,

<<you would have shamed him,

<<for he answered

<<you

<<an answer

<<that is not

<<an answer

<<it is.

Now

<<at any rate

<<well

<<he answered

<<you,

<<as it is taught:

<<if he was

<<laden with

<<food

<<and drink

<<while it was still day

<<and he carried them out

<<outside

<<after dark,

<<he is liable,

<<because

<<it is not

<<similar

<<to his hand.

Abaye said:

<<It is obvious

<<to me

<<the hand

<<of

<<a person

<<is not

<<neither

<<like the domain of

<<the public

<<nor

<<like the domain of

<<the individual.

<<Like the domain of

<<the public

<<it is not

<<comparable —

<<from the hand

<<of the poor man;

<<like the domain of

<<the individual

<<it is not

<<comparable —

<<from the hand

<<of the owner of

<<the house.

Asked

<<Abaye:

<<the hand

<<of

<<a person —

<<what is [the law],

<<that it be made

<<like a karmelis?

<<Did

<<penalize it

<<the Rabbis

<<to return it

<<to himself,

<<or

<<not?

Come and hear:

<<if was

<<his hand

<<full of

<<produce

<<and he stretched it out

<<outside —

<<it is taught

<<in one [Baraisa]:

<<it is prohibited

<<to bring it back;

<<and it is taught

<<in another:

<<it is permitted

<<to bring it back.

<<Is it not

<<about this

<<that they disagree:

<<that one master

<<holds

<<like a karmelis

<<it is,

<<and one master

<<holds

<<not

<<like a karmelis

<<it is?!

No;

<<according to everyone

<<like a karmelis

<<it is,

<<and it is not a difficulty:

<<here,

<<below

<<ten [handbreadths];

<<here,

<<above

<<ten.

And if you wish, say:

<<both this and that

<<below

<<ten,

<<and not

<<like a karmelis

<<it is,

<<and it is not a difficulty:

<<here,

<<while it was still day

<<here,

<<after dark.

<<while it was still day

<<not

<<did penalize it

<<the Rabbis;

<<after dark

<<penalized it

<<the Rabbis.

On the contrary,

<<the opposite

<<stands to reason!

<<while it was still day

<<for if

<<he throws it down

<<he does not

<<come

<<to

<<liability for

<<a sin offering,

<<let them penalize it

<<the Rabbis;

<<after dark,

<<for if

<<he throws it down

<<he comes

<<through them

<<to

<<liability for

<<a sin offering,

<<not

<<let them penalize it

<<the Rabbis.

And since not

<<do we answer

<<thus,

<<resolve

<<the question of Rav Bivi bar Abaye.

<<For asked

<<Rav Bivi bar Abaye:

<<if one stuck

<<bread

<<in the oven —

<<did they permit

<<him

<<to remove it

<<before

<<he comes

<<to

<<liability for

<<a sin offering,

<<or

<<did they not

<<permit?

Resolve

<<that they did not

<<permit.

<<This

<<is not a difficulty,

<<and resolve [it].

And if you wish, say:

<<actually

<<do not

<<resolve [it],

<<and it is not a difficulty:

<<here,

<<unwittingly;

<<here,

<<deliberately.

<<Unwittingly

<<not

<<did penalize it

<<the Rabbis;

<<deliberately

<<penalized it

<<the Rabbis.

And if you wish, say:

<<both this and that

<<unwittingly,

<<and here

<<about whether they penalized

<<the unwitting

<<because of

<<the deliberate

<<they disagree:

<<one master

<<holds

<<they penalized

<<the unwitting

<<because of

<<the deliberate

<<and one master

<<holds

<<they did not

<<penalize

<<the unwitting

<<because of

<<the deliberate

And if you wish, say:

<<actually

<<they did not

<<penalize,

<<and it is not a difficulty:

<<here,

<<to that

<<courtyard,