he would have taught us

<<the reason,

<<and taught us

<<that the halachah

<<is like the Rabbis.

<<But

<<that he said

<<“motzi” —

<<what

<<does he teach us?

<<And he

<<did it

<<to remove

<<himself

<<from the dispute.

And the halachah:

<<“Who brings forth

<<bread

<<from

<<the earth,”

<<for we hold

<<like the Rabbis,

<<who say

<<that ‘He brought out’

<<it implies.

“And over

<<the vegetables

<<he says,

<<etc.”

<<It teaches

<<vegetables

<<similar

<<to bread:

<<just as

<<bread

<<is changed

<<by means of

<<the fire,

<<so

<<vegetables

<<too

<<that were changed

<<by means of

<<the fire.

<<Ravnai said in the name of Abaye:

<<This

<<is to say:

<<boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground.”

<<From where?

<<From the fact that it teaches

<<vegetables

<<similar

<<to bread.

Expounded

<<Rav Chisda

<<in the name

<<of our master —

<<and who is he?

<<Rav:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground.”

<<And our masters

<<who go down

<<from the Land of

<<Israel —

<<and who is he?

<<Ulla —

<<in the name

<<of Rabbi Yochanan

<<said:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word.”

<<And I

<<say:

<<anything

<<whose beginning is

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground,”

<<when boiled,

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word”;

<<and anything

<<whose beginning is

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word,”

<<when boiled,

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground.”

It is well:

<<anything

<<whose beginning is

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word”

<<when boiled

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground” —

<<you find

<<it

<<with cabbage,

<<and beets,

<<and squash;

<<but

<<anything

<<whose beginning is

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground,”

<<when boiled

<<“that all …,”

<<how

<<do you find

<<it?

<<Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said:

<<You find

<<it

<<with garlic

<<and leeks.

Expounded

<<Rav Nachman

<<in the name

<<of our master —

<<and who is he?

<<Shmuel:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground.”

<<And our colleagues

<<who go down

<<from the Land of

<<Israel —

<<and who is he?

<<Ulla —

<<in the name

<<of Rabbi Yochanan

<<said:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word.”

And I

<<say:

<<in a dispute

<<it is taught.

<<As it is taught:

<<One fulfills [the obligation]

<<with a wafer

<<that is soaked

<<and with a cooked one

<<that has not

<<dissolved —

<<the words of

<<Rabbi Meir;

<<and Rabbi Yosei

<<says:

<<One fulfills

<<with a wafer

<<that is soaked,

<<but

<<not

<<with a cooked one,

<<even though

<<it has not

<<dissolved.

But

<<it is not so:

<<for everyone,

<<boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground,”

<<and thus far

<<not

<<does say

<<Rabbi Yosei

<<there [anything]

<<except

<<because

<<we require

<<the taste of

<<matzah,

<<and it is not there;

<<but

<<here

<<even

<<Rabbi Yosei

<<agrees.

Rabbi Chiya bar Abba said in the name of Rabbi Yochanan:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground”;

<<and Rabbi Binyamin bar Yefes

<<in the name of

<<Rabbi Yochanan:

<<Boiled vegetables —

<<they bless

<<over them

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word.”

<<Rav Nachman bar Yitzchak said:

<<Established

<<Ulla

<<his error

<<like Rabbi Binyamin bar Yefes.

Wondered

<<at it

<<Rabbi Zeira:

<<And

<<what

<<relation has

<<Rabbi Binyamin bar Yefes

<<beside

<<Rabbi Chiya bar Abba?

<<Rabbi Chiya bar Abba

<<was precise

<<and learned

<<the teaching

<<from Rabbi Yochanan,

<<his teacher,

<<and Rabbi Binyamin bar Yefes

<<was not

<<precise.

<<Furthermore,

<<Rabbi Chiya bar Abba

<<every

<<thirty

<<days

<<reviews

<<his learning

<<before

<<Rabbi Yochanan,

<<his teacher,

<<and Rabbi Binyamin bar Yefes

<<does not

<<review.

<<Furthermore,

<<apart

<<from

<<this

<<and apart

<<from

<<that:

<<[regarding] that

<<lupine

<<that they boil

<<it

<<seven

<<times

<<in a pot

<<and eat

<<it

<<as the dessert of

<<a meal,

<<they came

<<and asked

<<Rabbi Yochanan,

<<and he said

<<to them:

<<They bless

<<over it

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the ground.”

Furthermore,

<<Rabbi Chiya bar Abba said:

<<I

<<saw

<<Rabbi Yochanan

<<that he ate

<<an olive

<<salted,

<<and blessed

<<over it

<<at the beginning

<<and at the end.

<<If

<<you say,

<<granted,

<<boiled things

<<in their status

<<remain —

<<at the beginning

<<he blesses

<<over it

<<“Who creates

<<the fruit of

<<the tree,”

<<and at the end

<<he blesses

<<over it

<<one blessing

<<resembling

<<the three.

<<But

<<if

<<you say

<<boiled things

<<not

<<in their status

<<remain,

<<granted,

<<at the beginning

<<he blesses

<<over it

<<“that all

<<came to be

<<by His word”;

<<but

<<at the end,

<<what

<<does he bless?

Perhaps

<<“Who creates

<<many souls

<<and their needs,

<<for

<<all

<<that

<<He has created”?

Raised an objection

<<Rav Yitzchak bar Shmuel:

<<Vegetables

<<that a person

<<fulfills

<<with them

<<his obligation

<<on Pesach —

<<one fulfills [it]

<<with them

<<and with the stalk

<<of them,

<<but

<<not

<<pickled,

<<nor

<<boiled,

<<nor

<<cooked.

<<And if

<<it enters your mind

<<that in their status

<<they remain,

<<boiled ones —

<<why

<<not?

It is different

<<there,

<<for we require

<<the taste of

<<maror,

<<and it is not there.

Rabbi Yirmiya said to Rabbi Zeira:

<<Rabbi Yochanan —

<<how

<<does he bless

<<over

<<an olive

<<salted?

<<Since

<<it is taken out —

<<its pit